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Arms Identification on Silver Teapot

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:12 pm
by J Duncan of Sketraw
Can anyone help with identifing the arms shown on this Teapot? Hallmarked London 1770 sent in by Gwyn George;

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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:05 am
by Stephen J F Plowman
I found these details for Proby in Papworth's and Burke's General Armory;

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I'm not sure I'd recognise the crest as an ostrich!

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:59 am
by Martin Goldstraw
Well researched Stephen. I would be happier if I could make out the petra sancta dots on the lion to signify Or and like you I don't recognise the crest as being an ostrich (can I see ears?) - nevertheless, it is most probably of that family if not, because of the mantle, the peer himself.

Possibly the nearest ID we'll get.

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:10 am
by Stephen J F Plowman
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The Arms of the Earls of Carysfort (Proby) are quartered with those of Allen. The 1st Baron Carysfort, Sir John Proby, married a Elizabeth Allen daughter of the 2nd Viscount as Allen in 1750. I assume the quartered Arms would have been used by the 2nd baron/1st Earl. Therefore, the 1770 teapot was probably for the 1st Earl. He died in 1772.

The Earldom expired with the 5th Earl in 1909. The last Earl's nephew had four sons. The third son was created a Baronet in 1952. The present, 3rd Bt, has no male heirs and his cousin is the heir presumptive.

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:48 am
by Stephen J F Plowman
Extract from Fielding's NEW PEERAGE of England, Scotland & Ireland 1791;

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