Ramon Bravo Gonzalez No.0440

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Ramon Bravo Gonzalez No.0440

Post by J Duncan of Sketraw » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:44 am

The Arms of Ramon Bravo Gonzalez, Scotland

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Re: Ramon Bravo Gonzalez No.0440

Post by Michael F. McCartney » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:45 pm

Interesting design! Comparing this version from Lyon) with the earlier South African version linked in this current entry, Lyon replaced the three coronets (which symbolised a Swedish connection) with three ships whose sails are charged with a Scandinavian cross. Lyon could have felt the three coronets were too close to the Swedish Royal arms, and/or to the current arms of the Chief of MacArthur... In any case, both versions are quite nice!
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Re: Ramon Bravo Gonzalez No.0440

Post by Martin Goldstraw » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:25 pm

Michael F. McCartney wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:45 pm
Interesting design! Comparing this version from Lyon) with the earlier South African version linked in this current entry, Lyon replaced the three coronets (which symbolised a Swedish connection) with three ships whose sails are charged with a Scandinavian cross. Lyon could have felt the three coronets were too close to the Swedish Royal arms, and/or to the current arms of the Chief of MacArthur... In any case, both versions are quite nice!
I agree. Now he has two sets of arms, only one of which may be used in Scotland (where he currently resides). It would be interesting to see which or what combinations might be used should he ever return home where he would of course be free to use whatever he chose.
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Re: Ramon Bravo Gonzalez No.0440

Post by Michael F. McCartney » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:43 am

Depends on his citizenship and residence. If he has become a British citizen, then the Scottish version.

If he is a Mexican citizen and resides there, it really doesn't matter, either legally or symbolically, since neither foreign grant has any legal weight outside of the granting/certifying jurisdiction, and the elements referring to Mexico are the same in both versions.
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Re: Ramon Bravo Gonzalez No.0440

Post by Kurt Alex » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:12 am

Good timing for the holiday. "I Saw Three Ships", eh?

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Re: Ramon Bravo Gonzalez No.0440

Post by Michael F. McCartney » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:21 am

;)
Scandinavian equivalents to three camels - ships of the desert?
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