Benjamin Paul Pugsley No.0403

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Benjamin Paul Pugsley No.0403

Post by J Duncan of Sketraw » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:10 pm

The Arms of Benjamin Paul Pugsley, USA

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Re: Benjamin Paul Pugsley No.0403

Post by Michael F. McCartney » Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:50 am

Not a fan of new quartered arms that don't signify descent from two different lines - the usual meaning conveyed by quartered arms. Either of the quarters, standing alone, would make nice arms
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Re: Benjamin Paul Pugsley No.0403

Post by Martin Goldstraw » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:21 am

Michael F. McCartney wrote:Not a fan of new quartered arms that don't signify descent from two different lines - the usual meaning conveyed by quartered arms. Either of the quarters, standing alone, would make nice arms
I couldn't agree more. The caveat "These arms though quartered do not signify armorial representation or inheritance from an heiress but are a substantive coat recently assumed " was at the insistence of the Editor to ensure that those of us who "read" achievements were no mislead.
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Re: Benjamin Paul Pugsley No.0403

Post by Michael F. McCartney » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:46 am

The written explanation was helpful; but the visual image - that is, the recently assumed arms themselves - still is what it is.

There are frequently used ways to avoid the visual impression of marshalled arms when that is not the intent, such as varied partition lines or a fess, pale, or cross overall; or perhaps a quartered field with the two patterns of charges in only the upper quarters, or the field per pale of the two designs with a chief, perhaps countercharged... and likely others that don't come to mind.

Just my observations, others may differ...
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Re: Benjamin Paul Pugsley No.0403

Post by Chris Green » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:08 am

In addition to the "quartered arms that aren't" issue, I have serious reservations about the emblazonment. The shield is an odd shape - straight sides and curved base. The quarters are not quarters, Q3 and Q4 are considerably bigger, but the charges in those quarters are restricted to the upper part leaving yawning gaps in base. As for the stringy mantling ....
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Re: Benjamin Paul Pugsley No.0403

Post by Martin Goldstraw » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:25 am

We do our best to encourage registrants to seek descent artwork but as there is generally a cost involved ......
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Re: Benjamin Paul Pugsley No.0403

Post by Michael F. McCartney » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:23 am

In fairness to Mr. Pugsley, the design and the emblazonment are two different issues. I agree with Chris that there is a problem with the emblazonment of the shield - the charges don't fill the available space.

But all that is needed to fix it in this case is a bit of judicious snipping around the lower half of the shield, in effect reducing the available space to fit the charges ;)

The charges themselves, apart from the IMO unfortunate quarterly arrangement, are IMO well drawn (I particularly like the horse). Not to the level of e.g. Foppoli or the current crop of Eastern European masters, but nice enough.

As for the mantling, that's not an integral part of the design, just visual fluff ... nuff said...
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