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Abdullah Nizar Alani No.0396

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:53 pm
by J Duncan of Sketraw
The Arms of Abdullah Nizar Alani, Bahrain

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Entry: http://www.armorial-register.com/arms-b ... -arms.html

Re: Abdullah Nizar Alani No.0396

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 9:27 am
by Chris Green
Any idea why Said Alani chose two Catherine wheels, a particularly Christian symbol of martyrdom who pre-dated Islam by several hundred years? If they were intended to be water-wheels I might understand it, as such devices were not uncommon at oases.

Re: Abdullah Nizar Alani No.0396

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:05 pm
by Martin Goldstraw
This is actually my (unforgivable) error. Having been asked to blazon the coat of arms, I did so entirely from my European, Christian perspective; I quickly learned that the armiger meant them to be water wheels which are a common sight all along the river Euphrates. The blazon has been suitably amended!

Re: Abdullah Nizar Alani No.0396

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:22 pm
by Chris Green
Gold star for Green then! :mrgreen:

Re: Abdullah Nizar Alani No.0396

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:43 am
by Martin Goldstraw
Chris Green wrote:Gold star for Green then! :mrgreen:
Well, not quite. It was an early discussion with the armiger that brought to light the faux pas but there were so many anomalies to be ironed out that the change was not immediately put into place. John kindly altered the blazon on the web entry for me yesterday when a whole lot of other changes were made. Sadly, we still haven't ironed out any final solution as the client keeps wanting to change the actual arms themselves, a situation which we find rather fraught with difficulties as we are of the opinion that once arms are submitted to us for registration they ought to be the final and permanent adopted version.

On a general note though, we have experience of more than one registrant who has assumed arms later asking if they can change what they have previously adopted for a completely different design. Whilst this is not unknown with those who have inherited arms that have been granted by an heraldic authority it is far from common but it seems that there is a small minority of those who have assumed arms, possibly because it is a relatively easy process, who do not subscribe to the belief that a coat of arms is for ever, not just for Christmas!

Re: Abdullah Nizar Alani No.0396

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:41 am
by Chris Green
So John and you just have to put your feet down and say, once registered, always registered. The armigers have presumably paid up, so they have no leverage.

PS: I reluctantly waive my gold star :(

Re: Abdullah Nizar Alani No.0396

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:49 pm
by Martin Goldstraw
Chris Green wrote:So John and you just have to put your feet down and say, once registered, always registered. The armigers have presumably paid up, so they have no leverage.

PS: I reluctantly waive my gold star :(
Don't worry, John and I run a business. As far as we are concerned, once the register has been published in book form it is set in stone but we aren't averse to minor amendments prior to publication (which incur an administration fee) or indeed a complete new entry (for a complete new fee) for a complete change of arms (cross referenced to the original of course).

Re: Abdullah Nizar Alani No.0396

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:28 pm
by Chris Green
Filthy lucre rules OK!

Re: Abdullah Nizar Alani No.0396

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:20 am
by Michael F. McCartney
Maybe you could require prospective registrants to first conduct a refrigerator test - but on their own refrigerator, not your website ;)