Jonathan Bernadotte Miller No.0347

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Jonathan Bernadotte Miller No.0347

Post by J Duncan of Sketraw » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:19 pm

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Re: Jonathan Bernadotte Miller No.0347

Post by Chris Green » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:56 am

I am confused. Is not the Duke of Hamilton & Brandon 13th Lord Abernethy and Jedburgh Forest in the Peerage of Scotland (cr. 1633)? If the Duke had a great-grandson this would be his courtesy title.

I see from the entry for Lance Miller that the Miller claim to the Lordship and Barony of Jedburgh Forest is by a "Crown Charter" dated 1602. This confuses me further, since there were only two Scottish "Crown Charters" and both related to the establishment of trading companies: the Guinea Company of Scotland (1634) and the Company of Scotland (1698). I am no expert in Scottish law, but does this refer to a Charter of Confirmation, by which a Scottish Baron was confirmed in his Barony until 1874?

I note that the Wiki list of Scottish Feudal Baronies includes one for Abernethy in the name of Mahfouz Marei Mubarak bin Mahfouz and that for Jedburgh Forest in the name of Richard Bruce Bernadotte Miller. So, assuming that the Duke's current subsidiary title of Lord Abernethy and Jedburgh Forest is and always was (since 1633) that of a Lord of Parliament in the Peerage of Scotland, was/is it possible to have both existing concurrently, with virtually identical titles, though "owned" by different people? Did perhaps the Duke of Hamilton dispose of these Feudal Baronies at some stage? We English are simply 'mazed by the complexity of it all.

My confusion is not lessened by the apparent illogicality that Mr Miller (sr) would on the one hand be entitled to a Scottish Feudal Barony, but on the other have a relatively recent grant of arms from the College of Arms in England. I am sure there is a good reason for this. It would be nice to know what it is.
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Re: Jonathan Bernadotte Miller No.0347

Post by Chris Green » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:05 pm

Now I am even more confused. "Who's Who Southern Africa" gives Richard Miller (sr) as having been granted arms by Lord Lyon, recognising his Feudal Barony:

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matriculated upon the 101st page of the 74th Vol of the Public Register of all Arms and Bearings in Scotland.

Shield: Gules on a chevron Argent between two crosses Moline Or in chief and a double-headed eagle Or in base three wolves' heads erased vert.
Crest: A tree trunk rising from a grassy mound scattered with petals and putting forth a leaved branch, suspended therefrom by a line Or a cornucopia Gules banded Argent replenished proper. (The crest is the same as in the English Arms). Baronial helm.
Motto: Jedhart's Here.

So two - different - grants of arms, both relatively recent.
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Re: Jonathan Bernadotte Miller No.0347

Post by Martin Goldstraw » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:20 pm

1/ The dignity of Baron of Jedburgh Forest is a Scottish feudal barony. it is quite separate from any peerage title. It is not unheard of for a Scottish peer to sell a feudal barony of the same name as his peerage title. You will see a number of instances of this, another example being John Sullivan of Braemar, Earl of Breadalbane, Lord of Braemar and Lord of Kildrummie. The peerage title for the Earldom of Breadalbane is thought to be extinct (though I understand that there is a possible claimant).

2/ Richard Miller (sr) originally had an English grant of armorial bearings but upon acquiring his Scottish feudal barony petitioned the Lord Lyon for a grant of Scottish arms. He was not able to matriculate his English arms because they were an honourary grant (the Lord Lyon will only recognise what he refers to as substantial grants, not honourary grants, from the College of Arms) and so the new baron petitioned for a new grant, which was different to his "English" grant. The result is that he has two, quite different, armorial achievements. Jonathan has obviously chosen to use his father's English achievement.
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Re: Jonathan Bernadotte Miller No.0347

Post by Chris Green » Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:11 am

Thank you. It's all quite logical, but if I am confused I suspect most people would be!
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Re: Jonathan Bernadotte Miller No.0347

Post by Michael F. McCartney » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:18 am

If I'm reading all this correctly, this gentleman's English and Scottish arms are the same except that Lyon swapped out the two eagles in chief and substituted two crosses moline (canting charges).

Other relatively minor changes would be a different motto (I assume Lyon moved the motto up top, Scottish style) and also swapped helmets.

Have I missed anything?
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Post by Martin Goldstraw » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:54 pm

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