Robert Giacomel No.0277

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Robert Giacomel No.0277

Post by J Duncan of Sketraw » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:57 pm

The Arms of Robert Giacomel

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Re: Robert Giacomel No.0277

Post by Kimon Andreou » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:34 pm

Is Mr. Giacomel's ancestral surname "Giacomello"?

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Re: Robert Giacomel No.0277

Post by J Duncan of Sketraw » Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:06 pm

I have no idea Kimon...
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Post by Kimon Andreou » Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:10 pm

Hopefully, Mr. Giacomel sees this and responds himself :)

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Re: Robert Giacomel No.0277

Post by J Duncan of Sketraw » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:47 pm

The Original COA was painted by Carlos Navarro. I have no idea why Mr Giacomel edited the crest out

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Re: Robert Giacomel No.0277

Post by Kimon Andreou » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:38 am

Crests are very rare in the Spanish tradition and Carlos used the ostrich feathers as "filler". He does that with arms that don't have a crest

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Re: Robert Giacomel No.0277

Post by Joseph McMillan » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:12 pm

Kimon Andreou wrote:Crests are very rare in the Spanish tradition and Carlos used the ostrich feathers as "filler". He does that with arms that don't have a crest
It's not just what Carlos does; the use of the feathers is itself part of the Spanish armorial tradition.

Supporters, however, aren't, at least as far as I can tell. Nor in Italian heraldry either.
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Post by J Duncan of Sketraw » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:51 pm

I talked to Carlos regarding supporters Joe and was informed that in Spain they have no meaning and are for decoration only. They are rarely used.
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Re: Robert Giacomel No.0277

Post by Kathy McClurg » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:02 pm

J Duncan of Sketraw wrote:I talked to Carlos regarding supporters Joe and was informed that in Spain they have no meaning and are for decoration only. They are rarely used.
This is also confirmed (?) in Heraldry - Customs, Rules and Styles by Carl-Alexander von Volborth - Page 116.
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Re: Robert Giacomel No.0277

Post by Joseph McMillan » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:40 am

J Duncan of Sketraw wrote:They are rarely used.
This is what I meant by their not being part of Spanish heraldic tradition as far as I could tell. Nice to have Carlos confirm my understanding.
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Re: Robert Giacomel No.0277

Post by Michael F. McCartney » Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:10 am

The linked Armorial Registry entry says the supporters allude to some (unspecified) personal connection with Latvia, so I suppose Latvian heraldic practice would be relevant; but I don't have a clue what that might be. I would suppose German, Polish, Russian, and/or Scandinavian influences, at various times in history, but what would be considered "best practices" in Latvia nowadays??

Intèresting to ponder the mix of Northern Italian roots, apparently some English-speaking current location (Robert rather than Roberto), some Baltic connection, and Spanish registration & emblazonment -- international heraldry indeed!
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