Scottish Feudal Baronies

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Scottish Feudal Baronies

Post by J Duncan of Sketraw » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:38 pm

Scottish Feudal Baronies

The Lord Lyon has recently made it clear that from the 1st March 2018 it will be his intention to no longer make mention, in Letters Patent granting armorial bearings, of a petitioner’s ownership of a Feudal Barony and therefore status as Feudal Baron. The Armorial Register Limited is aware of the situation now arising and how this may affect existing and future barons. New barons will of course have their Assignation and we are reliably informed that the Custodian of the Scottish Barony Register (SBR) is looking into producing a more ‘displayable’ certificate of registration.

Whether someone is or is not a baron has never been within the gift of the Lord Lyon and has never been dependent upon his recognition; it is a matter of fact and the facts lie in the conveyancing material leading up to the Assignation. Successive Lyons appear to have long accepted that they are not conveyancers and some time ago Lyon Blair deputed his decision making as to who has and has not a valid claim to own a feudal barony to a ‘man of skill’ who happens to be the Custodian of the “Scottish Barony Register”. It has always been the case that, in terms of ‘recognition’, the most important factor is that the Assignation of the dignity is accepted for registration in the Scottish Barony Register.

For our part, we will continue to recognize and record as baron those barons and their heirs who have obtained arms via the Lord Lyon and had their ownership of the barony confirmed in the Scottish Barony Register. Those who wish to record their arms in our own Register of Feudal Lords and Barons of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will continue to receive a certificate recording them in their appropriate status.

Full details of our lords and barons register can be found here:
http://armorial-register.com/feudal-bar ... dships.htm

A copy of the certificate can be found here:
http://armorial-register.com/lord-baron ... icate.html
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Re: Scottish Feudal Baronies

Post by Martin Goldstraw » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:11 pm

There are always unexpected consequences and one resulting in the recent decision is that baron's will be increasingly aware that a grant of arms from the Lord Lyon has never actually been necessary for a baron if they didn't wish to become armigerous and for those outwith Scotland it will now be even more obvious that even if they do wish to be armigerous, they can assume arms without any discussion from the Lord Lyon anyway (as they always could). In addition, for those who do seek a grant of arms from Lyon,the last remaining vestiges of any armorial additaments to barons is presently the three barred "baron's" helm and whilst, at this stage, we have no idea whether or not this type of helm will be painted on new Letters Patent, as long as the wording "an helm befitting his degree" continues to be used, I can't see why anyone should feel that they shouldn't adopt such an helm.
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Re: Scottish Feudal Baronies

Post by Michael F. McCartney » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:13 am

Is a legal challenge likely?
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Post by Martin Goldstraw » Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:05 pm

As far as I am aware, there is as yet much grumbling but no actual stomach for a challenge; probably because such things always come with a (potential) cost.
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Re: Scottish Feudal Baronies

Post by Baron of Pittenweem » Fri May 25, 2018 10:48 pm

I know there is an ongoing discussion amongst a number of Feudal Barons on how to best handle this issue, and how to best protect the long term interest of the Scottish Baronage. Please feel free to send me a private message for further information.

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Re: Scottish Feudal Baronies

Post by Martin Goldstraw » Wed May 30, 2018 4:53 pm

Baron of Pittenweem wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 10:48 pm
I know there is an ongoing discussion amongst a number of Feudal Barons on how to best handle this issue, and how to best protect the long term interest of the Scottish Baronage. Please feel free to send me a private message for further information.
I have received some news/gossip which I am not at this stage in a position to share but we are in interesting times; watch this space.
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