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Post by Stephen J F Plowman » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:57 am

It would appear that Messrs Duncan & Goldstraw have been elevated to the Knighthood. :shock: They have both been made Knights “jure sanguinis” of the Sacred Military Constantinian Order of St George. (http://www.constantinianorder.org/english/index.html).

I trust that they will still have time to talk to us mere mortals. :lol:

Congratulations to them both and I'm not the tiniest bit jealous. Honest! :evil:

Their entries in the Register have been updated.
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Post by J Duncan of Sketraw » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:51 pm

Thanks for your well wishes Stephen from Martin and myself.

A special thanks to Marquis Enrico Manfredi d'Angrogna Luserna von Staufen-Berg who handheld us both through the whole long procedure and explained everything to us 'In English'. (Latin, Italian and Spanish not being our strong point).
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Post by Charles E. Drake » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:30 pm

Congratulations to John and Martin! Well-deserved honours.

I have a few questions, if they are not amiss.

First, does the category of "jure sanguinis" require any nobiliary or heraldic proofs in this order for UK subjects? I'm not immediately aware if this is equivalent to "grace" in the SMOM or to something like "Honour and Devotion."

Secondly, Martin's badge is not depicted pendant--I assume because the shield is shown tilted and the artwork more extensive to prepare--but I also wonder if he preferred not to display it in that fashion? I have seen illustrations of the badges of orders displayed "floating" near the shield or crest in some cases, but then without any bit of ribbon.

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Charles
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Post by Martin Goldstraw » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:11 pm

Charles E. Drake wrote:Congratulations to John and Martin! Well-deserved honours.

I have a few questions, if they are not amiss.

First, does the category of "jure sanguinis" require any nobiliary or heraldic proofs in this order for UK subjects? I'm not immediately aware if this is equivalent to "grace" in the SMOM or to something like "Honour and Devotion."

Secondly, Martin's badge is not depicted pendant--I assume because the shield is shown tilted and the artwork more extensive to prepare--but I also wonder if he preferred not to display it in that fashion? I have seen illustrations of the badges of orders displayed "floating" near the shield or crest in some cases, but then without any bit of ribbon.

Kind regards,

Charles
Charles,
Thank you for your enquiry and many thanks for your kind words. I shall attempt to answer to the best of my ability but you must make allowances as I do not claim to be an expert in these matters (I have however asked those who do know).

Firstly the category of "jure sanguinis" does indeed require nobiliary proofs and John and I were both able to satisfy those proofs (although it should be noted that John and I have the very unusual wording in our Grants which states that the acceptance into the Order is "moto proprio"; by personal decision of the Grand Master (by Royal Prerogative). I am informed that "jure sanguinis" is the equivalent of "Grace & Devotion" in the SMOM but I could not argue the point.

Secondly: I chose to retain the depiction of my arms with the shield tilted but have, as yet, no image of said shield with badge pendant from it. I chose to simply "float" the badge next to the achievement and included a wee bit of the ribbon. I suppose I could have ignored the ribbon but in time, I hope to have an image with the whole ribbon pendant according to true gravity from my tilted shield. So its just personal choice.

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Martin

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Post by DjMcGeachie » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:41 pm

Congratulations John and Martin, well deserved Honours. :D :D

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Post by Charles E. Drake » Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:01 am

Thanks for the explanations!

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Post by Guye Pennington » Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:50 pm

I'm late in reading this, but I also wanted to tender my congratulations! Bravo! Bravo!!

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Post by J Duncan of Sketraw » Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:17 pm

I have now received the official CMOC grant from the order and scanned in the smaller (as there is two sizes) for those interested, it can be viewed at http://www.clan-duncan.co.uk/clangaller ... t=0&pos=91 click on the image to enlarge.
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Post by DjMcGeachie » Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:41 pm

Well done, my congratulations to Martin and John, love the new rendition of the arms with standard.

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Post by J Duncan of Sketraw » Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:24 pm

Thank's Davy, its a pennon though not a standard, never mind its a flag haaaaaa
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