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by Michael F. McCartney
Wed May 27, 2015 4:53 am
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: Display by one's spouse
Replies: 47
Views: 29650

Re: Display by one's spouse

Rereading the last few messages in our heraldic ping-pong, you noted several families (names) bearing two ravens on an arrow (Murdoch, Mackie, McClurg) and then note that the "base" for your McClurg arms is the white with the ravens & arrow, with the rest just "etc". To my mind, the base arms for yo...
by Michael F. McCartney
Tue May 26, 2015 6:47 pm
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: Display by one's spouse
Replies: 47
Views: 29650

Re: Display by one's spouse

Based on your family's perceptions, should you swap out one or both ravens in favor of loons? Hmmm...that might suggest a Canadian connection, and maybe a couple of Canadian $1 coins transfixed by a golden arrow? (For the benefit of readers east of Newfoundland, Canadian $1 coins feature the image o...
by Michael F. McCartney
Sun May 24, 2015 7:40 pm
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: Display by one's spouse
Replies: 47
Views: 29650

Re: Display by one's spouse

I'm not particularly skilled with the technology -- past computer illiterate, more like computer dyslexic -- maybe you or SKS could move or duplicate your last post & this reply as a new thread? "Pro's and Con's of Cadency?" or some such new title? Briefly re: your three numbered points: 1. Me too -...
by Michael F. McCartney
Wed May 13, 2015 4:56 am
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: Display by one's spouse
Replies: 47
Views: 29650

Re: Display by one's spouse

Both. Over the years I've come to prefer the relative ;) simplicity of undifferenced family arms, but to each family (or even each individual within a family) their own preferred approach, at least in the US context. There are arguments both ways, both symbolic and artistic; but neither approach is ...
by Michael F. McCartney
Sun May 10, 2015 11:35 pm
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: Display by one's spouse
Replies: 47
Views: 29650

Re: Display by one's spouse

OK on concept. "As if" to me at least, should convey "same result" even though for different reasons. In the British tradition, a daughter with no brothers could transmit her arms to her kids as a quartering to their father's arms (or in Scotland at least, in lieu of their father's arms if he had an...
by Michael F. McCartney
Sun May 10, 2015 11:35 pm
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: Display by one's spouse
Replies: 47
Views: 29650

Re: Display by one's spouse

(Continued). Since a number of those posting here are Europeans, and presumably more used to the idea of heraldic heiresses, I figured (rightly or wrongly) that the "as if" approach might make more sense to them, in reaching the same end result.. Raising your ire was just unintended collateral damag...
by Michael F. McCartney
Sat May 09, 2015 7:55 am
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: Display by one's spouse
Replies: 47
Views: 29650

Re: Display by one's spouse

Oh - re: Kathy's adversion to "heiress" (her shibboleth, as "armiger" is mine :)) I'm not a fan of the term, either as to gender or to exclude non-heiresses from quartering - I merely used it "as if" since most students of heraldry would be familiar with the term in the context of quartering, and th...
by Michael F. McCartney
Sat May 09, 2015 7:21 am
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: Display by one's spouse
Replies: 47
Views: 29650

Re: Display by one's spouse

I had laboriously typed a long, detailed, elegant (or not) but ultimately mind-boggling response, which mercifully vanished into the ether when my tablet hiccuped. Hate it when that happens ... :). So more briefly: Rereading Kathy's post, her tentative solution for a couple choosing to use his surna...
by Michael F. McCartney
Fri May 08, 2015 12:44 am
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: Display by one's spouse
Replies: 47
Views: 29650

Re: Display by one's spouse

Martin's suggestion is intèresting but it strikes me as a solution (however logical) in search of a problem. The only place that comes to mind where "head of the family" - or even cadency generally - is considered all that important heraldically is Scotland, which has a long-standing and workable, i...
by Michael F. McCartney
Thu May 07, 2015 4:20 am
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: Display by one's spouse
Replies: 47
Views: 29650

Re: Display by one's spouse

Your proposed system seems, on first reading (haven't sketched it out yet) quite logical - essentially treating each individual as an heraldic heir or heiress, but bumped down the ladder and dropping off the grid after three (?) generations. So if I'm visualizing correctly, it doesn't preserve the "...
by Michael F. McCartney
Thu May 07, 2015 12:27 am
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: Display by one's spouse
Replies: 47
Views: 29650

Re: Display by one's spouse

Chris - "land of the free" - true enough! - but we can only try... Kathy - I gather you're looking at quartering practices (and likely much else!) from a more or less small-f feminist viewpoint, which I can appreciate - mother, aunts, wife, two daughters, three granddaughters, last five immediate su...
by Michael F. McCartney
Tue May 05, 2015 9:59 pm
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: Display by one's spouse
Replies: 47
Views: 29650

Re: Display by one's spouse

Chris - true enough; but moral suasion, peer pressure, and the snicker factor ("how silly / presumptuous / ugly / etc. is that?") is really all there is most anywhere else given the general lack of effective (if any) legal regulation and enforcement beyond perhaps refusal to officially grant/confirm...
by Michael F. McCartney
Tue May 05, 2015 7:01 pm
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: Display by one's spouse
Replies: 47
Views: 29650

Re: Display by one's spouse

Quick comments - Freedom to choose, yes; total anarchy, no. While personal/family 6heraldry isn't legally regulated in the US (same as most of the non-UK world), we do have a ~200+ year history of heraldry from colonial times to the present. The American Heraldry Society's Guidelines addresses this ...
by Michael F. McCartney
Tue May 05, 2015 3:29 am
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: Display by one's spouse
Replies: 47
Views: 29650

Re: Display by one's spouse

Kathy, don't hold back - tell us what you REALLY think! ;)
by Michael F. McCartney
Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:30 pm
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: Display by one's spouse
Replies: 47
Views: 29650

Re: Display by one's spouse

Kathy - of course you're right. I did say "in effect" but should have also said "as if" or some such qualifier signifying a different technical status but with same practical outcome, i.e. same options re: quartering by the kids "as if" momma dearest had been an heraldic heiress. Personally I'd disc...
by Michael F. McCartney
Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:02 am
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: Display by one's spouse
Replies: 47
Views: 29650

Re: Display by one's spouse

Ditto Kathy's #1 and 2, and her snicker re: "permit" :) #3 seems to me a bit (but not a lot) more complicated. Assuming we're talking about what's appropriate in the US (Douglas, Kathy and I are all Americans, so any contrary foreign practices are not binding) here's my take on it; others may see it...
by Michael F. McCartney
Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:06 am
Forum: New Arms Registrations
Topic: Baron of Hartsyde No.0306
Replies: 3
Views: 2808

Re: Baron of Hartsyde No.0306

Ah - wonder why?
Oh well, not my business - to each his own.
by Michael F. McCartney
Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:14 am
Forum: New Arms Registrations
Topic: Denis Anthony Hoban No. 318
Replies: 2
Views: 1941

Re: Denis Anthony Hoban No. 318

On the Armorial Register home page and in the alpa listing of registrations, where each name link is shown with a small flag avatar showing origin of the arms, Hoban is shown with a red flag charged with a gold star - the flag of the Democratic [i.e. Communist] Republic of Vietnam, which was the Nor...
by Michael F. McCartney
Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:41 am
Forum: New Arms Registrations
Topic: Baron of Hartsyde No.0306
Replies: 3
Views: 2808

Re: Baron of Hartsyde No.0306

The usual image here is missing, and the Armorial Register link goes to an error message.
by Michael F. McCartney
Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:10 am
Forum: New Arms Registrations
Topic: Robert Giacomel No.0277
Replies: 10
Views: 5812

Re: Robert Giacomel No.0277

The linked Armorial Registry entry says the supporters allude to some (unspecified) personal connection with Latvia, so I suppose Latvian heraldic practice would be relevant; but I don't have a clue what that might be. I would suppose German, Polish, Russian, and/or Scandinavian influences, at vario...
by Michael F. McCartney
Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:55 am
Forum: New Arms Registrations
Topic: Celebrate Heraldry – International Heraldry Day No.0327
Replies: 1
Views: 1582

Re: Celebrate Heraldry – International Heraldry Day No.0327

Nice design, really beautiful execution! Excellent artist!
by Michael F. McCartney
Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:09 am
Forum: Heraldic Design
Topic: Helms and other head coverings???
Replies: 7
Views: 5749

Re: Helms and other head coverings???

There has been a recent extended discussion re: heraldic headgear other than (in lieu of) the usual helmet and crest on the American Heraldry Society forum. Without repeating in detail (many posts), the general but not unanimous conclusion was that beyond the long-standing use of clerical hats and m...
by Michael F. McCartney
Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:22 am
Forum: Non Heraldic Discussions and Chatter
Topic: status of Heraldry Society of Scotland members forum?
Replies: 2
Views: 3288

status of Heraldry Society of Scotland members forum?

For a couple of days I haven't been able to access the HSS online forum. The HSS home page and the other links from that page , such as the Mitchell Rolls, have worked fine; but clicking on the members forum link gets a Website Not Available response. Have others had this problem, or is it just me? ...
by Michael F. McCartney
Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:27 am
Forum: The Use & Application of Heraldry
Topic: A question of etiquettes
Replies: 15
Views: 14835

Re: A question of etiquettes

This poor horse of a question has been resurrected & beaten to death more times than I can count, from rec.heraldry to the HSS forum to the AHS and here as well. Years ago I decided, and posted (on rec.heraldry IIRC), that while Lyon's writ doesn't run here and I believe any American's right to wear...