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by Frances Miller
Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:08 pm
Forum: Other Heraldry
Topic: Motto - Fleiss und Wille
Replies: 5
Views: 5330

Re: Motto - Fleiss und Wille

Sorry, this is the best image I have and it is not my photograph. It shows the convex surface of a pocket watch which is why the image is not so clear at the edges. Was confusing Slovenia with Slovakia and, having looked again at the arms for the town of Brda, Slovakia, see that the tower is not at ...
by Frances Miller
Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:22 am
Forum: Other Heraldry
Topic: Motto - Fleiss und Wille
Replies: 5
Views: 5330

Re: Motto - Fleiss und Wille

Thanks Chris. The items I have seen could well have been presented for hard work or long service so that makes sense. Maybe the motto bears no relation to the CoA which is possibly a civic crest. I have seen the watchtower element used in the arms of a town in present day Slovakia which is why I thi...
by Frances Miller
Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:14 am
Forum: Other Heraldry
Topic: Motto - Fleiss und Wille
Replies: 5
Views: 5330

Motto - Fleiss und Wille

Does anyone recognise the motto "Fleiss und Wille" and the crest with a tall tower? Possibly from Vienna or elsewhere in the Austro-Hungarian Empire around 1900. I have seen it on several antique items including a pocket watch and a silver matchholder. The motto translates (I think) as "Industry and...
by Frances Miller
Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:58 pm
Forum: Other Heraldry
Topic: 19th Century Gold Seal Ring
Replies: 9
Views: 9257

Re: 19th Century Gold Seal Ring

Hello Charles Many thanks for your input on this subject. Family obligations mean that I have not been able to pursue my researches and perhaps this is just as well if you think "Massol" is a false lead. Maybe someone else on the forum has some ideas. Regards Frances Miller
by Frances Miller
Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:00 am
Forum: Other Heraldry
Topic: 19th Century Gold Seal Ring
Replies: 9
Views: 9257

Re: 19th Century Gold Seal Ring

Correction to my last post. The Duchy of Savoie was indeed a constituent state of the Holy Roman Empire until 1860 when, under the terms of the Treaty of Turin, the Duchy was annexed by France. One wonders where the allegiance of the de Massol family lay. It gets more and more involved. The ring pre...
by Frances Miller
Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:56 pm
Forum: Other Heraldry
Topic: 19th Century Gold Seal Ring
Replies: 9
Views: 9257

Re: 19th Century Gold Seal Ring

I have made a little more progress with my research. I now know that the Bourgogne Region, in which Bourg , Piedmont and Collonges are located, was once part of the Duchy of Savoie and probably has strong ties to both Italy and Switzerland. I don't think it was ever part of the Holy Roman Empire. A ...
by Frances Miller
Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:59 pm
Forum: Other Heraldry
Topic: 19th Century Gold Seal Ring
Replies: 9
Views: 9257

Re: 19th Century Gold Seal Ring

Forgot to say that my first thought, on being shown this ring, was that the armorial looked French. I had nothing to base this feeling on but it seems I was on the right track at the start. I will let you know if my researches progress any further. Regards Frances Miller
by Frances Miller
Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:50 pm
Forum: Other Heraldry
Topic: 19th Century Gold Seal Ring
Replies: 9
Views: 9257

Re: 19th Century Gold Seal Ring

Can't thank you enough for the time and trouble you have taken in researching the armorial on this gold ring. Your findings come just when I was beginning to think I had drawn a blank, but I now have a great deal of information with which to make further study. I think it must be Bourg rather than B...
by Frances Miller
Fri May 31, 2013 11:10 pm
Forum: Other Heraldry
Topic: 19th Century Gold Seal Ring
Replies: 9
Views: 9257

19th Century Gold Seal Ring

Hello - I have joined the forum in the hope that someone might be able to identify the attached armorial. It appears on a gold seal ring which I understand dates from the early 19th century. There is no maker's mark on the ring to help with the provenance, and no motto. I have reversed the image so ...